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Dont make me think! by Metatality Dont make me think! by Metatality
Is science too difficult to understand, why not try religion?
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DenisMassov Dec 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Emm maybe I should interfere? This discussion was interesting, but I think I must choose Metatality's side because: According to my logic and accepted models of the universe scientific theories can easily be proven. But you can never prove logic... Science was made to predict the result of actions, like for example if you want to build a house and make sure it's not going to collapse. Science doesn't go against religion, so they can exist together. There's only one problem: Darwin's theory. Darwin's theory was proven to work, unlike the bible biology. In fact it proves the Bible was wrong once. And also, religion was abused to control people, and used to create wars, like the Jihads and Crusades, while science is always neutral. But of course, the Bible is a source of wisdom that shouldn't be lost. It's not all lies in the bible.
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Metatality Dec 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Thank you, and even though I have no idea how you found this after so long, I would like to say that I have matured a fair bit past this point. I am more respectful, and more willing to listen these days, but I can't say I've heard an argument to really make me change my mind on much of this. So, let me remake my argument as follows: Science takes faith as a starting point, then continually refines that basis until it can stand up for itself. Religions take faith as a starting point, but do not refine that basis when new information comes in. Both are built upon faith (the axioms must be taken as granted), but science is dynamic, while religion is static, and that is why religion gets outmoded by science.
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DenisMassov Dec 30, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I found it after a google search for "hexagonal green grid", becouse I need one to photoshop with, and then I found your gallery, and then I saw that picture so I started reading that discussion. I didn't notice that the discussion was over a year old so I decided to comment. And those two pictures, I found them on google images after a search on "science religion", just to make my arguments a bit more clear.

By the way can I please use your "hex grid green" image to photoshop with? I'll credit you in the description and I'll comment a link to it under your image when I'm ready with photoshopping. ^.^
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Metatality Dec 30, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Sure, really I'm fine with people using pretty much anything if I put it here. Good luck with your projects.
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DenisMassov Dec 31, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Thank you!
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:iconimmortalwomanhe:
Wow, dude, people turn to religion for answers we don't GET from science, way to miss the entire point of human society.
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Metatality Aug 9, 2012  Student Digital Artist
"Just because science doesn't know everything, doesn't mean you can fill in the gaps with whatever fairy-tale most appeals to you"
-Dara O'Brien
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:iconimmortalwomanhe:
The act of having a philosophy does not make all others a fairy tale, in fact, religion has just as much claim to truth as science, all constants of science are postulations, not laws, and are thus subject to change. Direct correlation is impossible to prove, and declarations of veracity for any ideas are completely moot.
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Metatality Aug 9, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I'll address these one at a time.
1- Philosophy and religion are no the same. A philosophy is more like a code of ethics, which I am in complete support of.
2- Religion and science do not have equal claim to truth. Science is someone saying "here is why I think this and this is my proof", while religion is someone saying "take my word for it, this all happened".
3- Science is postulation, I don't plan on claiming they are perfectly true. I will say however, that it is a lot closer than anything else we have at the moment. The fact that it is always changing means that it can keep getting closer, rather than stagnate.
4- It's not impossible to prove scientific theories ad laws, they do it all the time. Admittedly new things are still in the process of being confirmed, and may not be, but to say that it is impossible to prove these things is silly
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:iconimmortalwomanhe:
1 - I'm defining philosophy as a worldview, I thought that was pretty obvious, philosophy is a flexible term.
2 - Yes, yes they do, simply because you don't accept the bible because of it's age doesn't make it any less credible than a paper on physics, both were written away from your eyes, neither are provable by anyone other than who wrote it, one just happens to say things you don't agree with.
3 - And if you pay attention to, say, world history, you would know that religion has constantly changed, too.
4 - If you can tell me a scientific law that can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, THEN science will have more claim than religion.
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